
Before anything was even written down in the New Testament, it was spread by word of mouth for 30-50 years after the alleged events of Jesus. Unlike what I'd thought about the ability to preserve stories spread by oral tradition, these types of stories do inevitably change. And at the time of change, from the perspective of the culture changing it, it's perfectly ok. It's assumed the storyteller, to make the story more engaging, will put their own personal flavor into it, which may include some exaggerations, additions, or omissions. Think about this practice continuing for decades over thousands of miles and countless different storytellers, and it's possible to think that the facts may have changed slightly – or dramatically. The "first-hand eyewitness account" status that the gospels uphold starts to wane quite a bit. In fact, anthropological studies of oral-tradition-based cultures reveal that even the concept of "preserving a story as accurately as possible" is only a product of a written-word society, which the first early Christians certainly were not.
Once the gospels and other books of the NT were finally written down, as early as the end of the 1st century, they were not written in Aramaic as they would have originally happened. They were written in Greek, which means that some of the meaning is already changed due to translation. This can have profound effects on certain stories, which can in turn affect an entire doctrine of the faith. For example: In John chapter 3, when Jesus says that no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again, Nicodemus misunderstands him and thinks he's saying you need to be literally born from the womb again. Jesus corrects him and says he's referring to a heavenly origin rather than an earthly one. The conversation hinges on a double-entendre for the greek work "anothon", which in Greek means both to be "from above" or to "happen a second time". Nicodemus thinks Jesus is referring to the "happen a second time" meaning, which begs him to ask how an older person can possibly crawl back into the womb to be "born again". What's significant about this is that in Aramaic there is no way of replicating that double meaning. This conversation could not have possibly happened in Aramaic, which indicates that it was introduced some time after the first Greek written translation of this gospel. Which means it was added as early as 30-50 years later, or hundreds of years later, we don't know. Which means that Jesus never had this conversation. Considering the importance of the Christian concept of being "born again", this human addition of scripture is quite significant, meaning that entire concept was derived by human beings and not Jesus. It also means that humans invented scripture and claimed them to be actual words of Jesus Christ, and they were not.

This next example is interesting, because most Christians and even most bibles acknowledge that there

Examples like the above continue innumerably. The New Testament has been changed to an indeterminable amount throughout the centuries as it was carried by word-of-mouth for several decades, and then again as it was hand-copied thousands of times by scribes. There are more variations among all the differing NT manuscripts than there are words in the NT itself. Many of these changes are accidental, some seem quite deliberate, and some are debated. Some changes are insignificant grammatical or spelling errors, and some challenge fundamental Christian doctrines. The point is, these documents cannot be considered first-hand eyewitnesses, nor even remotely close to accurate accounts of these alleged events. They also cannot be considered the inerrant word of God – if God wrote the NT, we're not reading it anymore.
WTF, bible?? My faith in this faith wanes severely, especially after finding out information like this. How on earth would anyone be expected to put their unending faith into doctrine based on writings that have been altered so many times? People quote Jesus all the time when guiding their lives, giving advice to others, writing laws that you and I must follow. But Jesus doesn't seem to have said many of those things, rather they're the brainchild of controlling kings, self-righteous priests, or sly scribes. This book has proven itself to not be the immovable rock that people claim it to be. Why on earth would I surrender my life to such a malleable piece of literature that has more characteristics of folklore and legend than of real historical fact? I'm sadly disappointed to say the least. I've been really hoping to find truth here, but all I'm finding is a faith-based history blasted apart by scientific discovery. And a loving philosophy of piece and mercy with a deliberately ignored undercarriage of bloodshed and intolerance.
W.T.F.
You've taken more steps to understanding than most Christians ever consider taking, and that's awesome. You've got to be true to yourself.
ReplyDeleteIts like the worlds worse game of telephone played out over the centuries and all the while being told "oh no its the truth, because I was told it is". This is the main although not the only reason I eventually became an atheist. Not that I am saying that is where you will end up or even where you should end up. I can definitely separate between organized religion and spirituality I don't claim to have all the answers but I know that there is no ancient text that was passed down through oral history that does either. The new testament or even the christian bible as a whole is not the only offender in this all the ancient religious texts are equally guilty of this.
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It seems as though your faith has been waning for some time..and that is fine. I just wonder if you're giving both sides a fair hearing. The earliest written text of the New Testament is Galatians coming in at about 49AD...so the earliest NT writing wasn't 30 or so years after the fact, but about half that. Further, Paul quotes an early Christian creed in 1 Cor 15 (even liberal scholars admit that), so there was established theological content far earlier than 30 years after. Further, even if 30 years after the fact was when things were written, the eye witnesses were still present.
ReplyDeleteI'd suggest you balace out your reading by looking into Darrell Bock, Mike Licona, Craig Evans and Gary Habermas
In regards to FMB5150's comment - have you ever played a game of telephone with 500 people listening in the whole time? 1 Corinthians 15ff records that the resurrected Jesus appeared to over 500 eye-witnesses. If this is in fact true, those 500, along with the apostles, serve as a great accountability to the authenticity and reliability of the Gospel stories. How much sense does it make for a person to die for a story they know from 1st hand eye-witness experience, is false? Why die, as the early apostles did, for a fabricated lie, unless in fact it was true as we have recorded?
ReplyDeleteI think we all ought to be careful about making absolute statements concerning our own knowledge as well. "I know there are no..." and statements like it, including my own, are statements of the highest claim. What I would be saying in effect is that I know everything there is to know and "this" (fill in the blank) is not true/or is true, because I know all (omniscient). I think we all have enough humility to know we aren't the gatekeepers of all knowledge. Sorry for the sidebar Chris, I will be more on topic in the future.
Just because you read a book on how to play an instrument doesn't mean you understand it or know how to play it. Just because you read a book on Christianity doesn't mean you understand it or know what it means to be a Christian. Just like playing an instrument you need to be taught, you need to practice, and you need to be open to really trying. I am not saying that you need to be a Christian before you can truly knock it but how can you criticize something when you only have seen half the picture. Try going to church, try and understand why almost 3 billion people believe in God.
ReplyDeleteChris, I'm using your words "as a catalyst to blow the cobwebs off that dusty old soul of mine." ;-)
ReplyDeleteIn your view, where do the standards of what's right and what's wrong come from? Is it God? Individuals? Society? We've evolved it? ....
David Gantenbein cautioned: "'I know there are no...' and statements like it, including my own, are statements of the highest claim."
ReplyDeleteThey are, in fact, called "Universal Negatives." These are the only statements in formal logic known to be "non-provable." They are, in fact, "illogical" statements. His "beware" is quite appropriate.